Opening transfer for gen2

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    • #1

    Hi. I would like to start discussion about future regarding opening transfer between gen2 and other maps (items and dinos).

    There are two things from gen2 that will most likely strongly affect other servers:

    1. Mutagen (all clean merged bred dino lines volition go to trash)

    ii. Ability to get seven-10k ele in less than xxx minutes (it will be easier/cheaper to clone neutered dinos from AH than brood not neutered that are usually much more expensive)

    Personally I would like to know what is the opinion of players/admins and/or what we can expect in the future and then that we could plan it properly (if mutagen or transfering dinos volition be immune then there is no point in merging stats on other maps now in my stance)

    • #2

    me personally am a fan of keeping the cluster closed for items and structures but opening it up for dino's. an other affair that would seem oke for me is letting stuf get towards genesis 2 only not from genesis 2. transfer between gen2 and gen2+ should stay completely open in my opinion.

    • #iii

    as far as i tin see, proceed it closed. There'southward a lot that would affect the rest of the server hugely. The ease how you lot tin can become asc bp'due south, chemical element...

    Then considering mutagen will requite a HUGE advantage to people who ain the expansion over others. I am non in favor of splitting our playerbase for the entire cluster between players that tin get mutagen like shooting fish in a barrel and those that cant.

    Therefore, keep it closed.

    • #four

    I'm pretty sure WC will nerf element farming for sure (every bit soon every bit they sell plenty DLCs and other players start complaining about P2W), they did it on gen1 (which was good but not as OP as gen2).
    In the hereafter I would like to run into open transfers equally I'yard working some brood lines in gen2 and others in non-gen2 maps, and then I would like to enjoy this lines in all servers and not having to "work" double the brood aforementioned lines in non-gen2 maps.
    With the comingTM nerf to element farming in gen2 the marketplace of neutered dinos should not be an issue but in case someone regret selling them considering people tin can clone them "hands" well.. just don't sell them if you don't want other players running with your dinos.
    In the other mitt I'm interested to see what volition happen with mutagen considering personally I would similar to savour all the content ARK give united states, we accept had already other items/dinos (considered OP at the start) with new expansions that marked a difference in the play-style (of course some things like crypods are adept to be disabled so we avoid zooming bosses etc etc) but restricting core items and not giving the ability to replace them with a modded one idk.. just imagine what we would have thought nigh the Egg Incubator if we wouldn't have had access to it from mods until gen2: OMG OP!!!

    o/

    • #v

    1: Mutagen isn't OP, and it isn't a replacement for breeding. Afaik, you lot can only utilise it on wild caught dinos, you lot tin can just employ it one time on a dino, and the boost information technology gives is stock-still (5 stat points into HP, stam, weight, and melee). And considering how much of it yous need for worthwhile dinos similar rexes or gigas, I don't call back people will run around using it all willy nilly. It'll simply exist a booster for great convenance lines, but not a replacement.

    ii: Element farming is indeed crazy OP on Gen 2, simply people cloning neutered dinos is the least of our worries imo. Cloning was the meta before the wipe as well, since element veins were and nevertheless are a pretty viable source of element. Certain, they require more than work than farming on Gen 2, just you tin find them all the time. On gen two y'all have to look for the right resource rotation, which can sometimes have ages, and information technology doesn't last for too long either. Determined and skilled players will be able to farm just as much element on Ext as on Gen 2 during a similar timeframe.

    The only affair that's breaking the new concept on Gen 2 are the drops imo, but I'd still want that map to open up up eventually.

    • #6

    The only thing that'southward breaking the new concept on Gen 2 are the drops imo, but I'd withal want that map to open up up eventually.

    Eventually, aye :P fast? no! Keep it closed for a month or 2-3 at least imo

    • #seven

    1: Mutagen isn't OP, and it isn't a replacement for convenance. Afaik, y'all can merely use it on wild caught dinos, yous tin just use it once on a dino, and the boost it gives is fixed (5 stat points into HP, stam, weight, and melee). And because how much of it you lot need for worthwhile dinos similar rexes or gigas, I don't think people will run around using information technology all willy nilly. Information technology'll simply be a booster for great breeding lines, merely not a replacement.

    2: Element farming is indeed crazy OP on Gen two, but people cloning neutered dinos is the least of our worries imo. Cloning was the meta before the wipe likewise, since element veins were and however are a pretty viable source of element. Sure, they crave more work than farming on Gen 2, but you lot can find them all the fourth dimension. On gen 2 you have to wait for the right resources rotation, which can sometimes take ages, and it doesn't last for as well long either. Determined and skilled players volition be able to farm but as much chemical element on Ext as on Gen two during a like timeframe.

    The only matter that's breaking the new concept on Gen 2 are the drops imo, but I'd still want that map to open up eventually.

    OP no just all dino lines that we managed to go so far will accept to be made all over again if we want to have very practiced make clean stats. I guy got a lightning wyvern with 50 dmg recently which is ultra good stat thanks to ultra adept luck. If we open transfers then such stat will be much easier to get because of mutagel. Information technology will require only 45 dmg stat. Some people dont accept anymore tamed original stat dinos so they deceit increase their stats to new +5.

    One lunar cycle gives up to 10k mutagel which is enough to heighten a single dino dmg, hp, weight, stam by 5. Yesterday we had four cycles with mutagel in 14 hours real time. So it will be piece of cake to get higher stats for every dino we want.

    And so if we want to open transfer of mutagen or dinos that used mutagen then most clean dino lines that I have right at present will decrease its value badly.

    • #8

    OP no but all dino lines that we managed to get so far volition have to exist made all over again if nosotros want to have very good clean stats. One guy got a lightning wyvern with fifty dmg recently which is ultra skillful stat thanks to ultra good luck. If we open up transfers and so such stat will be much easier to go considering of mutagel. It will crave just 45 dmg stat. Some people dont have anymore tamed original stat dinos and so they cant increase their stats to new +v.

    Ane lunar cycle gives upward to 10k mutagel which is enough to heighten a single dino dmg, hp, weight, stam past five. Yesterday nosotros had 4 cycles with mutagel in fourteen hours existent time. So it will exist easy to go higher stats for every dino we desire.

    So if we want to open up transfer of mutagen or dinos that used mutagen then nigh make clean dino lines that I have right now volition subtract its value badly.

    The guy that got a 50dmg wyvern will also be able to use mutagen on it.

    Non everyone can play all that fourth dimension in the day or is available to grand farm mutagel when the lunar rotation comes in.

    Aye that will happen to me with some lines, simply that's something WC did on purpose and so mutagen is non a game breaking thing. Imagine beingness able to utilise mutagen in breeded dinos... 250 melee gigas in 1 month.

    • #9

    The guy that got a 50dmg wyvern volition too be able to apply mutagen on it.

    Not anybody can play all that time in the solar day or is available to one thousand farm mutagel when the lunar rotation comes in.

    Yeah that will happen to me with some lines, but that's something WC did on purpose and so mutagen is not a game breaking affair. Imagine being able to use mutagen in breeded dinos... 250 melee gigas in 1 calendar month.

    This still won't modify anything that people that take no access to genesis2 will always have junior lines to people that do. And thats a division in the customs imo.

    • #10

    Merely that'due south already happening with other items/dinos that yous can only get from DLCs, how we fix all of that?

    In one case transfers are open players will outset selling those items and everyone without DLC will be able to get them, if not what would be the piece of work around? blocking gen2 transfers forever = rip the map or blocking mutagen because it gives 20 levels?

    At the terminate it just 5 levels in four stats, from my point of view I don't encounter the issue here, players with breed lines will need to rework them if they wanna go those extra twenty levels that's all and neither this or using mutagen successfully will exist easy because you lot depend on the tamed creature.

    • #eleven

    But that'southward already happening with other items/dinos that yous tin can only go from DLCs, how nosotros gear up all of that?

    Once transfers are open players will commencement selling those items and anybody without DLC will exist able to become them, if not what would exist the work around? blocking gen2 transfers forever = rip the map or blocking mutagen because it gives xx levels?

    At the finish it just five levels in 4 stats, from my signal of view I don't see the outcome here, players with breed lines will need to rework them if they wanna get those extra 20 levels that's all and neither this or using mutagen successfully will be easy because y'all depend on the tamed creature.

    The big deviation here is that dino'south can usually easily be multiplied. Exist it by convenance or cloning. Therefore information technology will never be a very rare resource. Mutagen however is dependent on the map, cant be gotten anywhere else and when its not in rotation, there'due south no other way to become it. You lot cant breed it, nor clone information technology, nor craft it. In the end the amount of dino's is infinite, the amount of mutagel is finite, depending on the lunar rotations. If it will exist sold, it will just lead to a transfer of riches to the people that have gen2 from the people that do not accept gen2.

    This in fact volition create the upper class (gen2 owners) & lower class (non gen2 owners). The lower class will always take to spend shittons to get to equal footing as the upper grade, wich is not what happens with dino's. Once they buy a dino they can always clone it. Even if it is neutered. So they never have to loose their investment in it.

    Then equally i said before, information technology volition split the community upward and its not a good thing imo

    • #12

    Mutagen is fine IMO. You get 4 levels on a bred creature and the stats will not keep the offspring and then eh. 20 lvls on wild ones isnt that bad as well if yous ask me, considering that bred creatures will e'er be better because of imprint boosts and mutations.

    The element one is hopefully getting nerfed soon, if non possibly just conciliate the transfer of information technology.

    The creatures are ok. I´d exist ok with opening transfers once the element stuff is ameliorate.

    • #13

    Here's the affair with keeping the cluster airtight to transfers. Once people breed and become the missions done, they will beat the terminal alpha rockwell. That'southward it. In that location's nada left to do on the map. The map is then dead because you tin't employ anything that yous've built up at that place. In that location is cipher left. Then keeping the gen2 map closed to transfers is going to impale the map and nobody will play on information technology.

    Also, mutagen is merely going to heighten points by five in dino lines. And information technology takes an absurd amount of mutagen to practise that. If people are worried about players that haven't done bosses having meliorate lines than that of hard-core players, and so terminate selling skiffs and N+ tek structures to them. But its PVE. Information technology'south not like they are coming in and attacking you. Open up transfers or the Gen2 map will die.

    • #fourteen

    Yep it is almosd died i want transfer for all servers too because i cant practice anything if i cannly stay on that map cuz my master base is here now.

    • #fifteen

    OP no simply all dino lines that nosotros managed to go so far will have to exist fabricated all over again if nosotros want to have very skilful clean stats. One guy got a lightning wyvern with 50 dmg recently which is ultra good stat thanks to ultra good luck. If nosotros open transfers so such stat will be much easier to get because of mutagel. It will crave only 45 dmg stat. Some people dont have anymore tamed original stat dinos so they deceit increase their stats to new +5.

    That sounds like poor planning imo. Always keep your wild stats when breeding. Yous never know when yous'll mess up or become ARKed, and then having an actress safety layer to autumn back on is ever a expert idea in this game. Keeping the map locked for this reason would basically punish many for the mistakes of a few.

    One lunar cycle gives upwards to 10k mutagel which is plenty to heighten a single dino dmg, hp, weight, stam past five. Yesterday we had 4 cycles with mutagel in 14 hours real time. So it will exist like shooting fish in a barrel to get higher stats for every dino nosotros want.

    That sounds a bit ludicrous to me, I did some tests myself and I tin't get that much mutagel. Simply fine, let'southward say I'thousand a complete noob and I've been farming it wrong. Let'south scroll with 10k mutagel per bike.

    You need 800 to craft 6 mutagen. You demand 99 mutagen for a single giga. You'd demand almost 80k mutagel for that, or two very lucky days of four cycles per 24-hour interval if you lot farm information technology at peak efficiency. So not the easiest matter to get and use. Information technology's well balanced imo.

    And equally for dino lines decreasing in value over time, that is inevitable as more than and more people will breed and commencement selling. Mutagen might make that process faster, simply it'll happen regardless, and keeping a map locked to avoid it is overkill. Like others have already said, keeping Gen 2 locked is a death penalty for that map.

    • #16

    80k? No. Its 13.2k which is ane.5 mutagen lunar cycles. My current personal record is 9.2k and I dont even have fully lvled anky. As well I bet that mantis gets more. I'k very confident that I will become more 10k. Also this is giga. Other dinos crave less. What should say people that don't have gen2 and they dont accept any manner to farm mutagen? They can't compete on market against such easy +5 stat

    • #17

    Why does information technology affair what other people have? It's a PVE cluster. They aren't using these tames to attack other players. They tin can always purchase better dinos if they want. If not, they tin can breed similar we've always done without mutagen. People last wipe had maxed out lines without mutagen. What'southward the deviation. Who cares what people accept. Just play the game how it's intended. I paid for the DLC. If they didn't, I'm sorry. But that'south non my fault. Don't punish me when it doesn't direct touch on them.

    • #18

    Ok thank you guys for your honesty :) This is exacly what I wanted to hear/read :)

    • #19

    any upwards date when gen 2 will be opened up for transfer ? i don't come across why its taking so long

    • #twenty

    whatever upward date when gen ii will be opened upwards for transfer ? i don't see why its taking then long

    so long? its only been about a month... Gen1 remained closed for over 2! and even then you could merely take stuff out at outset, not bring anything in!